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Foaming Rabid Canon Thumper(HP) :
1. An individual with the irrational, obsessive paranoia that somewhere on Earth, there is a person deriving happiness from the idea of a romantic relationship between Harry and Hermione.
2. An individual with the irrational, obsessive paranoia that somewhere on Earth, there is a person deriving happiness from the idea of a romantic relationship between a pairing that J.K Rowling has not confirmed as Canon either in books or interviews.

I reach out to the rabids here and ask a simple question- what is it to you? What is it to you if someone likes Harry and Hermione? You have gotten your way. Is it not enough? Do you not understand that at this point you anger is literally nothing more than being upset* because someone else might be happy?

I've invited a few people here to comment, but I swear on all that is holy that I will do everything I can think of to stop this from becoming a war zone, even if it means throwing my hands up and saying "fine". There's no wrong way to ship (in this post) but can't we try to be civil? I know we can. Just look at Harp and Heron!

Ships are about the love between two (or more) characters. Shipping is about getting together with people who think the same way and enjoying your similar interests together. Real fans celebrate their ship with fun and sharing "squee" because their enjoyment is independent of the kid down the block liking another ship.

The people I am seeing are people who can do nothing but make the fandom into a pissing contest. There is no enjoyment, only competition. They belittle not only people ("Delusional!") but concepts that could possibly make these people happy (such as a simple eight second dance scene). They only get pleasure from their ship by picking it up and using it to beat up another ship. They are not fans in any sense of the word.

*Note: I will gladly and without question accept and not argue with "I just like being cruel and nasty to people who don't share my ship views" because I appreciate the honesty

Also, I don't care if "so-and-so started it back in 1942". The wars are over; we all know what's canon, and that's just the way it is whether you got your way or not.

P.S- Free quick-and-dirty art in this post to anyone who wants it, regardless of ship

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lol. I'm far from rabid, I say to each their own. It's all fantasy anyway, except for the ones that actually do get married in the end that JKR writes. So... *shrug* Put em together any way you like and have a good time say I. I can see Malfoy the elder and Voldemort getting it on...lol...very easily! But for my own pleasure, well, Snape plus just about anybody = fapping material. XD

Well, this is new.

I don't know if I'd consider myself a "rabid" anymore, to be honest. I really don't care what you ship. Honestly, the only Harry/Hermione shipper who bothers me anymore is Steve Kloves. I have no idea what's going on in fandom right now that prompted this post from you, so yeah. Erm, I won't lie and say that I was always so accepting, though. I would argue constantly and I enjoyed it; it was a distraction from my depression. If I have any notoriety in the shipping wars, my posts at Portkey were my worst offense. I'm sorry for those.

Since leaving all but the basics of HP fandom for AI fandom, most especially Kradam (or Kris Allen/Adam Lambert), I understand now what's it like to be ridiculed for what you ship. Thinking they'd be perfect together and being met with "it will never happen, you're delusional" etc made me realize that karma does exist. It also made me realize how much being a Harmonian in this fandom must have sucked and how my intrusion on a safe space like Portkey was a really douchey thing to do. I didn't hate all Harmonians, though. I had an online relationship with one and chatted with others almost every night. We tended to avoid shipping discussion, however. lol

Basically, ship whatever you want. It's no skin off my nose.

As long as I can ship Alton Brown/Anthony Bourdain(/tinypony) I don't care who anyone else ships.

:D

I think it's bad when I can't even go to TV-tropes without being reminded that "all that was ever wrong with the Harry Potter fandom ever was those darn Harry/Hermione-shippers" "they sent death threats to JK, you know"

It makes me want to scream to the heavens: "Both sides were just as bad and stupid, stop pinning it all on the ones that just happened to end up non-canon!!"

The webmaster who kept the HarryLovesHermione-site got death threats, and threats against her unborn child just for daring to have a site that had the idea of Harry and Hermione together, pre-HBP. You couldn't even argue that people were mistaking her for the rabids that came out post-HBP, she got those nasty e-mails long before the dreaded HBP even had a title! Harry/Hermione has been subject for immense hatered long before there was ever any real reason too. I can't speak for if it was the same for R/Hr, but my point remains that hating H/Hr and their shippers is not a new thing that comes naturally after the H/Hr-shippers acted like jerks.

I for my part, really don't like Neville/Luna. It's just "bleargh, where did that pairing even come from?" to me. I'm annoyed that there was some shiptease for it in the OotP-movie, and that hardly any of the Ron/Luna I saw in the book got in there. But I would never begrudge a Nev/Lun-shipper their squeeing. Nor would I ever go review a Nev/Luna, Ron/Her, Har/Gin, or any other pairing I dislike - fanfic for the sole purpose of informing the writer that the pairing is "wrong". In the case of Nev/Luna, I could say that it's non-canon, but what's the point, it's freaking fanfic!

TBH, this reminds me why homophobia is so incredibly difficult for me to grasp: You personally cannot possible be affected by what two consenting adults who are not you do in their privacy, why is it such a big deal?

Sometimes I think that Heron_Advocate is the only cool R/Hr person n earth... Wow, really? Death threats?

Seriously, what is it to them?! I want to ask more people... I should, too...

To be fair, there was definitively shitty stuff done and said by H/Hr's pre-HBP as well. I'm mostly annoyed when people tend to gloss over the things done on the side that turned out to be right. Many H/Hr-shippers had difficulties debating on the mugglenet forums simply because they got hounded more by the moderators on lesser infractions than R/Hrs. There was some modbias there, and well mugglenet in general was probably the most biased site I've ever seen that still dared calling itself a general site.

For Pete's sake, they even edited official pictures that didn't look "canon" enough for them to have as their layout. When they felt a need to edit pictures which had Harry and Hermione standing close together to have it be Ron and Hermione, that's when I honestly stopped caring.

There's probably way more sane R/Hr's out there (think I have a couple of more on my flist) but they probably stay away from the mess. They'd probably be "accused" of being H/Hr if they protested so why bother?

Oh yeah... I got "accused" of being HHR on the Gaia forums. It wasn't in a mean way, but I was probably a little nasty answering. "I know it's a difficult concept for you to understand defending someone that you have no stock in, but there is such a thing as being unselfish". It's true, though- you defend a ship and you must like it. How incredibly selfish a thought process that is. I'll defend Neville/Luna shippers, but I haven't got anything nice to say about that ship at all. Nothing mean to say, but nothing nice either.

And if you're anyway offering free art... Ron/Luna? Yes/yes?

Yeah! I've been meaning to do some art of them!

As Serial Killers...

No, but seriously, I have been meaning to do art of them. I like that pairing.

Serial killers might actually work. XD I've got a fic in the workshop of them working in forensics (Ron with a vaguely understood position that is usually dismissed as "psychic" while Luna calls herself a "psychic" proudly to Ron's frustration), it works too damn well for them and for the other characters in general. HP fandom needs moar crime-TV-show-AU's.

I ship batman/joker and I am glad to be out of the fandom drama. Just thinking about it pisses me off.
Are you still offering art?
Remember, the Joker's coloring book prompted fic from me!!!

Of course I'm still offering art! Of course!!

Wait, wait, did... hmmm, I could take that hint one of two ways... but I think I will take it the latter way.

How about anyone who has ever drawn me art in the B/J fandom has prompted fic.
also-when talking fandom drama, I was referring to the h/d fandom.

Wha-a-at? Harry/Draco had drama?

I am not being sarcastic- tell me the story, please. I always thought you guys had it good. You had all the fanfic you could ever swallow and non-fandom people even slashing. Like, any joke about gayness and H.P was always "Harry and Draco" while at the same time they all went for the R/Hr trope. I wanted to like H/D, but it always had Homophobe!Ron and Machismo!Ron and R/Hr and so I developed a Pavlovian dislike for it.

So regale me with tales from the other side of the mountain? What drama?

OK- when I was in the H/d fandom about every 8 months, there would be someone complaining about how the bnf's controlled everything in that fandom. The bnf's, instead of saying "hmm-this keeps happening. What can we-because we care about fandom-do to ease this!" they ignore it and people are pissed or leave because of it. This has gone on for years. It was ONE of the reasons I finally left that fandom. The final straw was when I defriended someone who complained because -in the bottom draco comm- someone had commented distaste for them switching. Not your fic sucks, Not your characterization blows, but we-don't-like-it-because-your-fic-has-them-switch and wer' re-here-in-a-bottom-draco-comm-wanting-bottom-draco.
And with 64 comments(when I defriended) feeding into this self absorbent bullshit. I have some very good friends in the fandom and some are the so called BNF's and I don't know why they won't handle it.

I LOVE the batman/joker fandom because it is so drama free.

Ah yes! I forgot about the Big Name Fans! That's why I lost interest in Harry/Ron, in fact. Every fic out there, every picture was "Dedicated to---" one big name fan in particular. I was fed up with the ass kissing.

Dron is nice- no drama and it's such a small ship that if there are big name fans, they aren't at celebrity status. Everyone's just friends.

Edited Date: Saturday, October 9th, 2010 10:20 am (UTC)

I have a request for a picture of a bit of an...unorthodox...ship.

Gunther/Hermione/Ginny/Luna/Cho/Pansy/Lavender/Harry/Padma/Parvati/Minerva/Sybill.

Well, it is your birthday tomorrow...

Oooh, you touch my tra-la-la, mmmm, my ding-ding-dong.

And where the hell is Ron "The Chinese Man" in all of this?

(For those of you dropping eaves on this, please note that this was a non-racist inside joke Jason and I shared one day in college)

Looking sadly in the window, as his reliance on the Harry, the Japanese man, cannot allow for him to embrace Gunther, representative of all things Swede, or the people who embrace Gunther.

For me, personally, my problem with Harry/Hermione is not that people ship and like Harry and Hermione together, it's the fact that shipping them together seems to go hand-in-hand with Ron-bashing (or at the very least, the marginalization of Ron) 99% of the time. And that includes the movies. And that's the one thing in HP fandom I haven't gotten over.

How many scenes have there been with Harry and Hermione having "special bonding time" while Ron sits like a lump in the background? He's been stripped of every great moment he's had since PS/SS so that Harry and Hermione can be brought closer together. Instead of being the Trio, they're Gary Stu, Mary Sue, and the mangy dog they got stuck with. Maybe that's the closest they can get to portraying Ron as the abusive, traitorous, cowardly, murderous, rapist Death Eater he's been portrayed as in so many fics without wild deviation from the books. It's just me personally, but I often interpret the gushing as "Squeeeeeee! Harry and Hermione are together, and Ron has been dumped in his PROPER place." I'd like to think I'd be irritated if the movies were riddled with Ron/Hermione moments at the expense of Harry basically being cliqued out of the Trio and being portrayed as if Ron and Hermione were only friends with him out of some kind of charity. The fact that Kloves and whoever else is in charge couldn't be professional enough to leave their personal biases out of the movies is deeply offensive to me. (Yeah, yeah, Dan and Emma chemistry, blah blah blah, marketability, blah blah blah, Emma is gorgeous, blah blah blah, Rupert is ugly, blah blah blah, and all that junk.) Maybe feeling this way is majorly hypocritical of me since I ship(ped) Harry/Luna and can't stand Ginny, but that is how I feel.

You have gotten your way. Is it not enough?

Since I hated what JKR ultimately did with Ron/Hermione, canon doesn't make me feel any better. For that matter, I thought the Trio's characters were all written so horrendously in the last 2-3 books that I no longer really ship them with anyone (canonically). (Okay, I still ship Harry/Ron.)

Okay, so continuing from our posts in the ARGH community ...

1. Totally un-related note, you are very talented in your artwork!

2. I'm posting here because it was the most recent HP related post I could find.

3. Why I appreciate R/Hr? Well, first of all, I can appreciate it as a "natural" thing to happen. The two of them have had a fair amount of sexual tension, IMO, leading back several books. Does it mean they're actually compatible with each other or in the long run? Hell no. But do I completely understand why R/Hr would happen? Yes. When you have that sexual tension and mutual physical interest in each other (which I feel they pretty obviously do), something has to eventually tip. I appreciate R/Hr happening simply because I find it's a realistic depiction of a lot of relationships.

4. Do I think they're compatible in the long run? Hell no. I really do think that they respect each other, which is key to a good long-term relationship and friendship. However, unless they both mellow out, they feed back on each other in a positive feedback loop that would only escalate conflict, not deflate it. Not conducive in the long run to a strong relationship in my opinion.

5. Personally, I think the charge that they have little in common is a reasonable statement to make for arguing against R/Hr, although it could go both ways. Having little in common isn't that big a deal as long as you're open to learning about the other, you respect each other, and you try to stay involved in each others' lives, I feel. Furthermore, what's equally important is sharing the same core values and belief systems, which I do feel that they do. However, unless they both mellow out, learn some humility, and give some ground to each other, I don't think R/Hr would be viable in the long-term because they wouldn't be able to bridge that lack of common interests.

And that's pretty much it for R/Hr for me. I appreciate it because I do think it's a common and realistic relationship dynamic, but at the end of the day, unless they both mellowed out, that push-pull dynamic that they have would fuck their relationship over and end any potential for something long-term and stable.

6. I know that a lot of people dislike Ron and I don't blame them. People like him (jealous and insecure), in real life, can rub me the wrong way too, but at the same time, they can also be attractive because of their completely readable and transparent vulnerability. To me, that kind of humanity is kind of heart-breaking and thus perversely attractive. (Hey, just being honest here.) As a literary character, I think he's great. I find him and Neville two of the more interesting and relatable male characters because of their totally unsubtle character flaws and weaknesses.

That said, I think despite Ron's insecurity, he's got his heart in the right place and he's pretty gutsy, although not as swashbuckling as Harry. And yeah, he can be petty, but he can also be chivalrous. I can understand why Hermione or any other girl would spring for him and respect him; he's very human and his character failings are acceptable in that they are very human flaws.

7. I'm gathering that you go for H/Hr, which is also great in my books. I see H/Hr as the relationship that could feasibly occur if/when R/Hr crashed and burned.

Personally, I don't buy that "they're so platonic" crap that's supposed to argue against H/Hr. They're platonic until they're not is the way I see that. Friendship morphing into a relationship is a pretty common and realistic trope for a reason, right?

That said, I personally don't think Hermione and Harry have too much in common either, although they too share the same base values, moreso than Ron and Hermione, IMO. So any relationship between the two would also have to work to bridge that gap.

Cont'd below ...

Thanks so much for coming by! Really! Wow... so much to say. First off, thanks very, very much for the kind words about my art. That's always first.

The second thing is a misconception I have to clear up very often- I'm not an HHR shipper. I just like H/Hr people and I feel bad for them. I ship Hermione with Lavender, Padma, or Luna. Harry I don't give a darn about enough to ship him with anyone. Yes, HHR does compliment my OTP (Draco/Ron, talk about a relationship of butting heads!) but I don't consider myself a shipper.

HHR shippers are the Lady, I'm the boy with the sword, and the nasty brand of OBHWFers are the dragon(s), and it's all because of goatsie, the guy who runs the mugglenet forum (bet you didn't know his name was goatsie!)

Your explanation on R/Hr shipping was beautiful. It was the whole "this love will last forever" thing that re-he-heally got to me. Then again, who is JK kidding? She ought to expect at least some of her characters would get divorced. The whole telling us the end pairings was a bad, control freak-y move, was it not?

I really love and appreciate you for your love of that ship. If I could just isolate myself and only watch you and Heron for a while, I'd be cured, I think. Only, that won't happen because I hang out in the GaiaOnline forums and there are always little snots crashing the HHR thread with nasty comments. It's, for some reason, never "H/G is the way!" but people waving the R/Hr flag.

(More in the second comment)

Hey there, happy new year. And I'm glad to hear that you appreciated my post and explanation!

I just like H/Hr people and I feel bad for them.

Heh, me too.

I ship Hermione with Lavender, Padma, or Luna.

Hm, yeah, I can see her with Padma. If I was to see Hermione in a queer relationship, I see her working pretty well with Cho, actually.

I really love and appreciate you for your love of that ship. If I could just isolate myself and only watch you and Heron for a while, I'd be cured, I think.

Aw, why thank you!

... But I'm sure many, many OBHWFers wouldn't consider me a "true" R/Hr shipper, since I pointed out all the ways that they're absofuckinglutely terrible for each other. I think there's a tendency for canon-thumpers to believe that just because Rowling wrote some random ship, it'll just magically be okay and the characters will "work" for each other and we readers just have to accept it.

Your explanation on R/Hr shipping was beautiful. It was the whole "this love will last forever" thing that re-he-heally got to me ... The whole telling us the end pairings was a bad, control freak-y move, was it not?

For the record, I could totally buy that R/Hr's love could last "forever," as implied by Rowling and canon-thumpers, but only IF big, huge changes and concessions were made in their relationship. But Rowling's damn epilogue, where they show the characters still pretty much having the exact same personalities as 20 years earlier, kind of negates that possibility.

The epilogue wasn't just kind of excessive from a control-freak POV, but also an example of bad writing and character development, IMO. She told us that everything is fine and peachy with all the final OBHWF pairings, but she didn't show any change in their personalities. And knowing what we know about their personalities and conflicts, it's hard to just buy her telling of their future lives.

Continued below ...

I should've done this for your first comment; I probably lost a lot of thoughts not doing this

many, many OBHWFers wouldn't consider me a "true" R/Hr shipper, since I pointed out all the ways that they're absofuckinglutely terrible for each other.
Hm. This reminds me of the people who sail on Asshole Central, AKA "The_HMS_STFU" and their definition of the community DeathToCapslock. Quote "Deathtocapslock is supposedly a mocking community that sporks different HP chapters. In reality it's a wanking community for butthurt Slytherfen and Harmonians"

It's actually not that at all. If they bothered to look at the community, they'd see that

1- the people in it are pointing out parts in the books that are inconsistent, nonsensical, or that they personally did not like.
2- Not every post represents the collective thought of everyone in the community, and in the comments, people disagree, partially agree, and discuss things.
3- The majority of the posts are little essays expanding on particular thoughts. For example, someone who made a "why I don't like Dumbledore" post, someone else made a post to discuss squibs, ect. I didn't comment on the Dumbledore post since I personally like Dumbledore.

Their language is quite telling. "Slytherfen", meaning "people who identify with Slytherin for their own reasons". But since so many bad wizards came from that house, the Canon can't-think-for-themselvesers think "that means the people who like that house are butthurt fans and bad/wannabe bad people."

It's the same case with those people who'd call you not-a-true-fan. What both groups have in common is that their faith and love is so fragile that they can't handle any naysaying. Whereas you and I and the people in DeathtoCapslock love the series so much that we can handle the blows of naysaying and criticism. If the three of us (you, the DtC community, and the Thumpers) were dating personifications of the series, they would be the ones who would never fight with their lovers and break up within a few years while you and the DtC would be able to say "you have imperfections, but that doesn't mean I don't love you."

As for the rest of your comment... well, that is perfect. I can't even think of anything to add to it. I agree with it completely.

Heh, I just looked at HMS_STFU. Holy crap, they need to get over themselves. Now, I think every ship has its fair share of wankiness, but jeez. Most of the people on STFU already got their way in canon; I don't see why they need to bitch about other people bitching.

But since so many bad wizards came from that house,

On a side-note, I was really disappointed that the house system still seemed to be in existence, as described in DH's epilogue. IMO, many, many events in the HPverse have illustrated that the houses have caused more damage than good.

you and the DtC would be able to say "you have imperfections, but that doesn't mean I don't love you."

Hahaha, I'm workin' on living up to this.

Poor Ron gets a bad reputation from the Harmony fans, which is a shame. I try hard to defend him to a lot of them, especially Brad. Weasley hate is stereotypical of Harmony fans.

I think many people in the fandom generally hold Hermione in high esteem and overlook her own failings. Consequently, she's the one that all the people "fight for," relationship-wise. I can understand why people hate on Ron; for one, it's easier to empathize with Harry, considering that the whole series is generally written from his POV. However, I don't know what came first - the OTP or the competing-character hate; a true chicken vs. egg puzzle! ;)

8. Dirty little secret: I think Harry/Ginny could have been good and I could have actually liked or appreciated H/G, if it had been written better. But the way it was written and the way Ginny's character was developed was absolute shite. As it stands, I can't fathom appreciating or even understanding H/G just because what I know about their interactions with each other is so little and lacking. It just doesn't seem plausible to me.

Eh, I suppose they share a common interest in, um, Quidditch.

9. Hey, feel free to comment on or, haha, argue with anything that I wrote. The nostalgia is killing me and it would probably make me happy. God, I wrote a fucking novel here. That's what I get from not being in the fandom for years. Sorry I puked about 3 or 4 years' worth of shipping thoughts onto your journal.

I'm not too hardcore a shipper I think, and I actually really enjoy H/R/Hr, a triad living in dirty sin. Maybe that's why I'm pretty ambivalent to either H/Hr or R/Hr.

10. All that said, I fucking hate the way some canon-thumpers act, which does significantly increase my antipathy to ships such as H/G. They need to mellow out, go outside in the sunshine, and throw away that rosary with Rowling's image dangling from it.

11. So what's that secret you wanted to say? ;)

And finally, my secret- I actually sort of think that H/G is a little cute. Not the way it was in the books, mind! But I did a brief RP for someone and she wanted H/G on the side. It kinda grew on me. Don't get me wrong! I am epically pissed with how it was done in the books (the Dean kiss was so clumsy I was embarrassed for Jo, as I was with the "third twin" thing she tried to pull. Hey, Poochie? You're trying too hard.) and I will never forgive JK for HBP-Ginny (she lost me forever at crashing her broom. I wanted someone to... we won't get into that). But away from Rowling, it wasn't that bad. Which isn't saying much... I still have little respect for those who lap it up as-is. In fact, I sort of applied the same tactics to the R/Hr relationship when I briefly played an R/Hr "as it really would happen" game. Now that was fun. Miserable marriage, all sorts of tiny little unspoken rules (Hermione getting to hit Ron, Ron getting to shake Hermione if she hit him more than twice, both allowed to use magic to throw things at each other, but never without warning so that the other could move). I miss that game.

And now a (million) word(s) about Ronald Weasley. Warning: next section will come off as very disjointed, but I swear it all ties into itself.

I've always loved Ron very much. He has a lot more to him than anyone gives him credit for. Just like in the books, the fans are always overlooking and dismissing Ron and his opinions/feelings in favor of another's opinions.

One of the peeves I have about R/Hr is how heterosexist-sitcom stereotypical it is (at least when shown by the nasty-brand fans). A lot of the denser brand of fans have said in regards to Ron Slash "Ron can't be gay! He's so manly!" You have no idea how badly I want to reach out over the internet with a pair of pliers and rip these people's teeth out. I don't have to explain how "..." that is; I can sense you'll be making a face at it. That aside, they cite how Ron is "either always angry or funny or clueless". To top it off, they cite the "emotional range of a teaspoon" argument.

I can't agree with any of that. First off, Ron was the youngest of five brothers, two of whom were Fred and George. He couldn't show his emotions, or he'd be eaten alive in his own home. Anger was the only acceptable emotion he was probably able to express if he wanted to be seen or taken seriously. He's got plenty of emotions, but he hasn't been given adequate space to show them in positive ways. Hermione was wrong. Either that or she was trying to be funny. Doesn't matter- the point is that the fans took it the wrong way, further buying into that sitcom brand of sexism wherein the doofusy, helpless man is taken care of by a woman because otherwise, he'd be laying dead in a pile of beer bottles, naked except for dirty underpants and mismatched socks. It's sexist both ways, of course.

That's a lot of why I like Ron and Draco- they're both insecure, but they both have equal footing in areas such as knowledge of the wizard world (no muggle living for them) sports, and being a titch bit mama's boy-ish. Draco has a smart mouth, but if Ron hits him, he can get away with it a little more (and how the fanfiction makes that into a lovely thing with the Domesticus Disciplinum spell... wait, what?)

But I know that if I was "raised" with you (and Heron) I would be able to constantly keep in mind the good points of R/Hr. And you did mention the good points!

From now until New Year's, I vow to try to keep the nasty-brands away so that the last memory of R/Hr of this year is the fuzzy one you gave me.

I appreciate your comments. A lot.

I will never forgive JK for HBP-Ginny (she lost me forever at crashing her broom. I wanted someone to... we won't get into that)

Eh, I'm a little more forgiving. Was Ginny written kind of bitchily in HBP? Yep. But personally, I don't find that to be a huge turn-off. I think it's reasonable for many readers and the characters themselves to still find Ginny attractive. (After all, the HP world is hyper-partisan with the damn Hogwarts houses and whatnot, and since Ginny was only mean to mean Slytherins, it's all okay, right?

What was a turn-off was Rowling's (and OBHWFers') expectations that we readers must love and accept Ginny because of this. I just hated how she was forced down readers' throats, and if you did happen to dislike her or the way she was written, you were automatically horrible or a Weasley-hater or misogynist (wtf?!) or whatever.

Miserable marriage, all sorts of tiny little unspoken rules (Hermione getting to hit Ron, Ron getting to shake Hermione if she hit him more than twice, both allowed to use magic to throw things at each other, but never without warning so that the other could move)

Hahaha.

And now a (million) word(s) about Ronald Weasley.

That was a great section you wrote about Ron, and one of the more rich explanations that I've read about his behaviour. I'm with you especially in regards to Ron slash and the emotions thing.

From now until New Year's,

So what about 2011? Heh. ;)

Cheers to 2011!

What was a turn-off was Rowling's (and OBHWFers') expectations that we readers must love and accept Ginny because of this.
Yes, this is what I meant. I should have added that I wouldn't mind this if someone had punished her for her behavior, or if someone that spoke out against it/pointed it out wasn't cut down or dismissed.

Thank you for your kind words on my Ron rant. I've got to collect those and keep track of them. Poor Ron gets a bad reputation from the Harmony fans, which is a shame. I try hard to defend him to a lot of them, especially Brad. Weasley hate is stereotypical of Harmony fans.

It's tough being an outlayer in this family. So much of the fandom has their mind made up about the other side. I suppose I'm very guilty of this at times, too.

I hope you, too, have a lovely New Year. Hopefully, I'll get some damn drawing done!

PS: I just re-read your original post suggesting I post here. I'm not sure if anything that I said will convince you of R/Hr's merits. Haha, I'm not sure if even I know what its merits are!

But I think even if it's completely meritless from a "there-is-nothing-redeemable-about-this-ship" perspective, at the end of the day, I honestly like R/Hr and appreciate it for what it is, warts and (lack of?) merit and all.

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Arm in arm we are the harmless sociopaths

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways

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